We live in interesting times
Some of you might have heard of this “Anonymous” thing. Anonymous is a very loose confederation of (my words) second or third generation Internet mall-rats. (Malls being torn down all over the country, they have to go somewhere. )
Kids for the most part, or young adults.
Back in January they decided to show Scientology who was boss, over a pretext too. Tom Cruse did yet another of his silly stunts in front of the cameras, this time for a Scientology get together back in 2004. This got leaked on YouTube late last year and portions of it got set up in the Internet zine Gawker. http://gawker.com/ Gawker got a cease and desist and pretty much ignored it, news said Gawker, fair use.
The kids were watching, one of them said more or less, “I’m getting sick hearing about Scientology running over people like that.” There was some general agreement, and the games began. They posted little YouTube films detailing their intent, some of them started doing Denial of Service attacks on their web pages, taking them down for a time. Then some other voices began demanding audience. Two in particular, Mark Bunker of Xenu TV and Tory (magoo) Christman. They are long-time critics of Scientology, both with deep understanding of how the organization operates.
Mark Bunker became known as “wise beard man” to the kids who were pretty much referring to themselves as “Anonymous.” by that time. Anonymous is kind of an Internet joke that has some of the aspects of a prankster and Superman. Mark Bunker did his own little YouTube video asking Anonymous to lay off of the attacks and adopt a different strategy. One that was a little more dangerous but might actually be much more effective.
Protesting. Anonymous protesting.
Lots of Anonymous protesting.
The idea is to get people out in front of the Scientology offices in masks, making a spectacle. Funny clothes, Guy Fawkes masks from the film “V for Vendetta” cake, yellow-van pinatas, that kind of thing. They started doing it, Orlando, New York, and London, a few other places. Then someone decided they should start having world protest Scientology days. The first one was on February 10th. Every large Scientology office was protested.
A friend and I went to the protest in Clearwater, we took cameras and shot some film, I got to meet some of the Anon kids, that was pretty much it.
Last week we started noticing people skulking around, taking pictures of our house. Last week Scientology also filed some kind of restraining order and apparently, my name was on it. Why? Because I was in downtown Clearwater on Feb 10th.
How? They ran my tag.
The restraining order was long and absurd, it had a laundry list of supposed threats that anonymous people had made. According to Scientology, YouTube vids were posted that were clearly bomb threats. These were swiftly yanked due to TOS violation (I had not seen these myself but I’ve flagged a few others for removal in my time.)
The judge refused to sign off on the the order(s) (there were two, perhaps three.) he cited lack of evidence, (paraphrased) “come back when you can pin these acts on people,” he said, not ephemeral groups like Anonymous.”
And so it goes, I went to the Friday night March 14th protest. It was not very large, the weather was rainy and wet. PI agents were all over the place and the Clearwater PD were glumly standing in the rain. The Anon kids were very polite, I had a cup of coffee with them after and chatted, we all laughed at the PIs stationed outside the restaurant. (BTW, PROTIP to you PIs, you should roll the window down before taking flash pictures. (dorks!))
When I got home, there was a note on the door, VIPS was here with a delivery for you. Ref number 501.
Hmm I thought.
About ten minutes later the doorbell rang, some fellow claiming to be a process server. I signed for a package and wished him a good night. What I found was a DVD of a video that Scientology posted on YouTube a few days before. A really cockamamie, overblown thing entitled “ANONYMOUS, hate crimes.” I’ve seen it associated with some Scientology outing page. Since it was YouTube there were a number of complaints and the entire YouTube channel was taken down. I think the video is still around somewhere.
Anyway the letter is,….. I don’t really have words,… horrendous? It says more or less that I am responsible for all of these-death threats and to stop doing that immediately. It goes on to say that Anonymous is MY organization!
I mean….wow!
I’m deeply DEEPLY angry over this, my feelings are hurt. Not about being called the mastermind of Anonymous, I’m rather proud of the protest movement. If I am responsible for that, I must be some kind of freaking genius!
But the other thing, the implication on paper that I’m a mad bomber and make death threats? I’m a US service veteran, I held high level clearances, decorated, served with distinction and was honorably discharged. I have a large extended family, many friends and a spotless record. I own property in Largo Florida and I’m a devoted husband and father. How dare this organization say this kind of stuff. Death threats? Bomb threats? I personally am responsible for a popular movement of thousands of people-worldwide?
Did I wake up on the right planet?
I’m flummoxed! This is kind of like making someone responsible for an earthquake, a solar flare or the wind. I wish I had that much control over tens of thousands of people, but I don’t. I’m just one guy in the edges of it. I took some video during a protest.
Anyway, I went to the protest today March 15th 2008, showed my face, parked in a public spot in downtown Clearwater and chatted with a bunch of people. Some of the were members of Scientology’s Office of Special Affairs, one made a veiled threat. “Think about your kids” he said, “you really want to be there for them.” He didn’t identify himself as an OSA agent, he was posing as a protester but I think he was, I believe he was. He and about four or five others who spirited in and out of the marchers. One fellow asked me how much money I thought I could get from suing Scientology. (WTF! Is that really all you guys think about? ) “You are too nice!” he said when I told him I had no interest in Scientology’s money.
Another made pointed comments about Salt Lake City and the Mormons, “that’s Utah’s business isn’t it?” I said. “Well, said he, “if there were 2/3 Scientologists vs non Scientologists in Clearwater we would not have all the problems in this town. ”
“What kind of problems,” I asked.
“This stuff!” he said, waving his hands to indicate the protesters.
“Oh right!” I said “People could not freely and peaceably assemble unless it was OK with Scientology. Is that what you are saying?”
One fellow said he recognized me from my photo, when I mentioned that my photo had not been published in the Newspaper or on the Internet (yet.) He started stammering.
My message to these people was very simple, “why don’t you guys just talk and work things out before causing a ruckus?” Why all the deception? You people have your communications tech, are you saying that it’s not good enough to avoid this kind of thing? It’s not good enough to actually have a conversation, openly with me as one person to another? You can’t just talk to me if you have a problem? I’m astounded by that!
I’m not a monster and if you try to force me into that mold, I’ll have to prove I’m not a monster.
But by making me do that, you become the monster.
Think about this and please contact me, you have the number. I really have no beef about the beliefs of Scientology (other than, it’s not something I want to get into .)
I have issues with the heavy handed tactics they use to control people, and the deception.
Can you really blame me?
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A postscript. (September 14th, 2008)
Thanks for stopping by, I’m kind of in awe and very grateful of the support. I’ve gone to many Anon protests in my area and I’ve met many fabulous people. One thing that’s struck me about all of them is that they are “doers” not followers. Movers and shakers, not stay-at-home types. In another generation these are exactly the kind of people Scientology would recruit.
I’m following the saga of Clearwter, her “church” and her protesters. Much of what I see and here will be on this blog, http://blackfish.biz/allen .
Please stop by and comment!
Thanks again!
GA
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They came to your house? Made a video about you? Attempted the put a restraing order on you?
Are they high? The idea of you issuing death threats is hilarious.
Anyway, that is freaking creepy to show up and take pictures of someones house and deliver things to their door. Talk about being threatening. Yuck. That ‘church’ fails to impress me and just seems to prove itself to be very un-church like each gtime it pulls this crap.
Let me know when the next protest is. I’ll go have a cup of coffee with you.
They just don’t get it. Not everyone will be terrorized by this kind of stuff. What’s really laughable is the hypocrisy, they run around accusing people of terrorism and make attempts to um…. terrorize people!
Thank you for the comment, spread the word! They had signs up in Clearwater restaurants reading “Anonymous members will not be served here.” In Georgia the police showed up in riot gear and mad a big deal about marching up to the protesters and arresting some of them.
“Let me know when the next protest is. I’ll go have a cup of coffee with you.”
I would be honored! There is a nice Starbuck’s in downtown Clearwater, right in the middle of the Scientology campus.
Ditto, let me know also. I’ll see if I can pack it into my busy schedule.
BTW, how can those folks legally run your tags?
Thank you, I shall.
The next protest will be on April 12th, 2008. They are calling it “Operation Reconnect” to counter Scientology’s policy of disconnection which tears families apart.
More info at
http://www.reconnect.org/
YouTube vid
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=tCpUqJ1zDXw
More up to date news at
http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology
Regarding tags, there are many ways to do a reverse lookup on a license tag. Services generally cost $40 to $200. Any PI can do this and so can the police.
What they have been doing is standard practice. Always attack, never defend. is their dictum.
Above all else they want to instill fear in people who scrutinize them, shutter them into silence, terrorize them.
There is a word for people who try to terrorize others, do you know what it might be?
Good for you sir.
And thank you for your REAL service to this crountry–I would think that they would’ve done enough “research” on you to realize that the last person they would want to mess with in this level is a person who has actually put their life on the line for our country and the 1st Amendment.
We would like to hear from you more, if this continues please keep us informed. Also, can we use your story for a video? We are documenting all Fair Game against public citizens. Visit one of our Youtube accounts at http://www.youtube.com/user/AnonymousConnection
Hi there,
I’m deeply grieved to hear that you have been attacked so harshly by the Church of Scientology. This is just more proof that the CoS is not what it appears to be (and that’s putting it mildly). I personally hope that you have reported this very serious libel to your local police, so that they may investigate further into why the CoS has alleged that you have committed such despicable acts (and perhaps why the CoS hasn’t reported such acts to proper authorities, and is merely using these allegations to attack you?).
Considering that Anonymous is a leaderless collective of people, loosely affiliated with each other, I find it kinda funny that they would even imply that someone is a leader, let alone say it on paper with long list of erroneous claims to go with it. If you want to know how the rest of Anonymous will likely respond, it’ll probably go something like this: http://i25.tinypic.com/143nzgi.jpg
The next major protest, Operation Reconnect, will be held 4/12. Operation Reconnect will be focused on showing the public the hundreds of families the Church of Scientology has destroyed.
We will probably be organizing later in the day for Operation Reconnect in Clearwater due to the extreme heat these last two times. For all the information on Operation Reconnect remember to check out http://www.clearclearwater.com We will be posting information about all of efforts in Clearwater there.
Hope you come out and have some fun with us!
I’d like to quote and link to this on the Fair Game page of my site if it’s ok with you. You can email me from there if you’d like.
This is happening to a lot of people who attended the protests, and they are showing the world exactly why we protest.
G -
Please go to the press with this. You are a VETERAN FATHER for cripe’s sake. The public NEEDS DESPERATELY to know the truth (even if it will be “handled” bu Scientologists to stop their people from knowing at all costs).
PRESS! PRESS! PRESS!
They msot assuredly will back off if the WORLD knows they are watching you.
Hey anon1967 et-al; Thank you.
You guys… Wow!
Your comments really touched me! One of the things I believe the Co$ would like to instill on people like me is an idea that we are isolated and helpless before them. That’s the impression I got from reading their letter and speaking to (I believe) several of their OSA guys. It’s so important to stick together on this stuff and not allow them to dictate what to do.
Your own sense of morality, ethics, honor–your heart should always be your guide.
From what I’ve seen, you guys are already doing that!
In another space-time, Anonymus may have written;
“If you want to know how the rest of Anonymous will likely respond, it’ll probably go something like this: http://i25.tinypic.com/143nzgi.jpg“
Heh! I’d like to post that here, do you mind?……
Anyway; yes. I would very much like to see how they react.
We’re keeping an eye on you up here in Canukistan, Mr. Allen, but I get the feeling you can handle whatever BS these D-bags throw your way. You might be interested to know that someone else is going through a similar situation as you.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/civil/article416511.ece
She is an employee at Starbucks who was only checking her timetable around the same time as Anonymous was protesting on February 10th.
It seems like the Co$ are going for a “shotgun” approach to accusing people of these fake bomb threats, basically fair-gaming anyone whose face they can pick out of a crowd. What a pack of fools.
And go ahead and post the pic, the ‘Old G’ Anons created LOLcats, but AFAIK nobody “owns” them.
Thanks; I know that about the pics and since Jan I’ve been lurking, seemed polite to ask.
I hope you don’t mind, but I added a link to this here: http://youfoundthecard.com/fair-game.php
Please consider speaking to the press about this. They are harassing innocent people who are only using their first amendment rights.
Fellow Vet and father checking in to lend support.
I’d been reading more and more outlandish claims about this so-called church over the last few weeks and, at first, I just couldn’t believe it. Now, I’m just absolutely disgusted at what’s been uncovered.
Yours is not the first report I’ve heard like this. There was a young woman wrongly associated with the Clearwater protest on February 10th. She was walking to work at a nearby coffee place and got named, possibly in the same legal documents as you did.
Since reading about these incidents, I’ve done some google searching on “operation freakout” where the COS framed a woman named Paulette Cooper for mailing bomb threats to them.
Check out these links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulette_Cooper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout
Don’t let these guys bully you! Thank you for having the guts to write about your experiences.
I have and I am. Most of the press around here don’t seem to care one way or the other.
Thanks for adding me.
Wow, it seems I’m not alone in my knowledge. In the time it took me to write that up between calls at work, AnonCanuk showed up with a link. Again, thank you for standing tall!
Wow. Just wow.
I mean, clowns can’t shoot themselves in the foot like that, not even with those huge shoes.
Don’t let ‘em scare you off.
I myself have heard their allegations of criminality by the “leaders” of Anonymous. I have taken these allegations very seriously, and as a result, I will not be offering any allegiance to any “leaders”. I will act only on my own conscience, and on research I do myself.
As it happens, my conscience has dictated that I participate in protests against this evil cult, and I hope that you will find that your conscience moves you likewise.
Be safe. Warn your family members, but don’t let anyone scare you off.
Thank you for the kind words. They ran every plate downtown from what I can see. I don’t know who else got “served” the DVD and letter, rumor hath that there is at least one other and the process server pointedly said, “I’ve delivered a lot of these tonight!”
However, the letter is nothing more than a C&D, it’s not service or litigation of any kind. I believe they were simply telling me to stay out of Clearwater on March 14th.
It’s all very sinister and mafia-like which is why I decided to go on the 14th anyway and let them ID me! They want to get the feds investigating me? Waste of time, what the heck do you think happens when you adopt from a foster care agency? Not to mention when I served in the military. The FBI knows exactly who I am.
Thanks seebs; that’s what I’ve been doing all along.
I think this Anonymus thing as like a group of people who come across a car wreck and help out before the authorities arrive. The folks who got people out of the twin towers were members of Anonymus. The people on flight number 93 were members of Anonymus. They didn’t know each other, they didn’t care to know each other. They saw something wrong and helped out. That’s what I see happening here and it makes me very proud to have witnessed the way these Anon guys conduct themselves.
Hey Allen! Sorry you had to go through all of that. Here are some answers to your questions.
Scientology, as you have found out yourself, employs private detectives. Once those private detectives are registered with the state they practice in, there are programs that they can use to access government databases, autotrackxp.com is one of them. As long has you can prove that you are using it for legal means (it’s just ticking a box, really, no real oversight) you can get a hold of someone’s unlisted phone number, license plate tags, and private residence.
By naming you as a member of Anonymous when you are not, make sure that you record every ounce your experience that you can- every bit of correspondence, every slip of paper. If you can identify the man who claimed to know you “from your picture” even though it hasn’t been published, well two can play at that game, sir! There are many pictures of the protests online- use them!
All of this will come in handy if you decide to sue them or file a restraining order!
Also, when it comes to advertising your problem to a larger audience, may I suggest the St. Petersburg Times (also known, ironically, as the SP TImes)? They have a very understanding ear when it comes to people being harassed by the “Church.”
Lastly, I’m so sorry that you, a war veteran, a father, a productive member of society with a healthy curiosity, have had to go through this. Good luck.
Allen, mad props to you. Go get’m tiger! I hope local news picks up your story because the Cos’s behavior has been shameful.
However. . .
I will note that not all ANONYMOUS are kids. It’s amazing the number of years a mask and wig take off you.
You are not alone. The members of Anonymous all stand behind, beside and ahead of you. If one of us falls, the rest will help him up and defend him.
Thank you for having the courage and the sense of justice to stand with us. It makes me proud to see this wonderful movement and all the good it’s doing.
Wow. Your story is amazing. I only started following this Anonymous thing after I read about Scientology going to court to try to stop the protests in Florida.
I’d taken a sort of “wait and see” attitude over all this, reading both sides of the story.
The more I’ve read, the more it’s become clear that Scientology is playing some really dirty pool. PIs? Spying on people? Trying to scare them into silence?
That, frankly, is bullcrap. I’m no longer sitting on the fencepost. It’s perfectly clear that Scientology is acting more like the Evil Empire than any church I’ve ever heard of.
It’s not just wrong, it’s downright scary. I hope everyone they’ve harassed like this bands together and drags them into court to answer for it.
I have heard the same type of your story over and over from others that were listed on the petiton. I am glad you are speaking out. They win if you remain silent. Can I post a link to this blog on my travels on spreading the truth about Scientology? Thank you and stay strong and also know anonymous has your back if you need us.
BTW:Thank you for serving this wonderful Country!
And even those of us who are kids (well… younger, I guess I can’t still be a “kid” in my early 20’s) appreciate you speaking out. Sorry to hear about what you, and everyone else in your situation, has had to endure. Just thought I’d say thanks again for speaking out. Every voice counts.
heh; kid? I’m in my late forties and I still think myself a kid. Anyway, you are very welcome.
Hey anonymous also; sure, send me the link. I’m kind of interested in who else might have gotten this letter.
Also… You are welcome,
Sir,
I agree with all the people who have said “go to the authorities, go the media (SP Times – Robert Farley, he was there March 15).” It is important to document everything and have back-up plans, etc. The Co$ is made up of some really good people and some real whack jobs. On one level it’s not their fault — just think in terms of battered women, maybe that’ll help you see how they could be that way.
butsoanyway. some of us anonymous fighters are not kids, but grey-haired ladies.
I know I’m preaching to the choir here. But I thought I’d drop by to add my voice to the chorus.
I am an Anon based in New Zealand. This is one of the greatest social movements I’ve seen. It brings tears to my eyes to see so many people united, regardless of differences in age, gender, religion or race.
I act of my own sense of morality, ethics and honour with my heart as my guide.
Allen, I’m saddened to hear of this horrible treatment you’re receiving from them, but ALWAYS know we are behind you and support you ALL the way.
I hope this gets sorted for you man!
From your astounding story, I gather that the “church” continues to win friends and influence people around the world. Three cheers to you for your patience and level-headedness under fire.
hi Allen, Congrats for having the courage and balls to continue putting up with these people, They need to be shown up for whom they really are. No matter what they do they can;t get to you becuase you have done nothing wrong!
I am shocked with the way they treat innocent people who have done nothing wrong! ( CoS paranoid much?) All I can say is that Anon in Australa supports you and you are to be respected for the courage and bravery you haveshown in this situation!
again congrats and you have our support!
wow, this is amazing. does the media know about this? i knew these guys acted weird (zombie-like), but this is beyond the pale. more people need to know about this.
Hey Clearwater sam.
It was mentioned in the Saint Petersburg Times Sunday. (http://www.tampabay.com/news/religion/article419054.ece)
If you think people should know about this stuff, be my guest! I get the impression that the folks over in downtown Clearwater would really like people to just shut up and go away.
Hey, thanks for stopping by and commenting!
GA
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Hi Allen,
Im an Anon based in Brazil. I hope you don´t mind, I translated what happened to you to portuguese and shared it in my blog.
Know that you have our support from here.
Nice blog.I found you through xenutv.com , You’re famouse,congratulations!!!! We met saturday. You were on the phone and I at first mistook you for OSA. Keep up the good work.Write if I can help.
The good side of scientology- an hour long movie about the freezone.(funny as hell)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1786568759674213741&q=begginers+guide+to+L+ron&total=9&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
You thought I was OSA!!!!? Bahhahahahaha!
What was it? The birdfeeder I was wearing?
As you may have noticed, Anonymous has noticed your blog and we will do the best we can to defend you and help you and spread this blog to everyone ^_^
check this out
we are cyber-terrorists apparrently
anon in australia will not waver
http://www.anonymous-exposed.org/
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Thank you for coming forewards with this Allen. As should be obvious by now, you have the attention of Anonymous and we will provide you with /b/ackup if need be. I would like to formally invite you to head over to http://www.enturbulation.org and register an account there. Enturb has become a sort of unofficial hub of organization for our protests of scientology. As one of our named leaders you would no doubt be welcomed with cake.
Concerning these letters, the Anonymous legal team has reviewed them and has submitted a foraml response. This response was signed by eveyr single member of Anonymous and delivered via certified mail to the Church of Sceintology. You may view it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
You should really send the local media a link to this page and speak to them about it. I think local residents would be outraged if they heard this.
I’m terribly sorry that you had to get a hit from CoS just for being there. I hope you are safe from them with your publicity on the matter.
I do not forgive.
They do it because it’s exactly what L. Ron Hubbard said to do. They really *really* do consider him to be god.
I can tell you where to find it too! Hubbard Communications Office “Manual of Justice”. The instructions are all there. Read up on Scientology texts and techniques. They do the same things over and over and over. The entire pattern is completely predictable.
What slays me is, it doesn’t work! All it does is create more and more conflict until one side or the other is crushed.
but, thanks for pointing that out, I must have read it awhile ago, but forgot the implications.
One thing that popped out at me was the bit about when punishing someone, (paraphrased) you punish their friends and family, even after slaying a man you would have to deal with everyone the mans knows, at last, a whole population.
“Shoot the offender for the public good and then patch him up quietly.”
Sick – sick – sick!
I often wonder what the world would be like if Scientology grew to the point of clearing the planet. I think it would be a bleak, cheerless place.
No, you just sounded osa-ey. You said on the phone”they are a little older this time” and you said the word “outpoint” and you had no disguise. You scared the hell out of me , so Bahhahahaha yerself. rich.
You thought I was OSA!? Bahhahahahaha!
What was it? The birdfeeder I was wearing?
I’m really happy to know that there are people like you who aren’t afraid of the standard Co$ scare-tactics. You have my total respect and I really hope this gets the exposure it deserves.
For those who want to take a look at he Hubbard Communications Office “Manual of Justice”, i would just like to provide a legal link to said document: http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/books/man_just.html
Never forget that Scientology’s modus operandi is to isolate and discredit its targets. It is important to inform the people (both over the internet and in real life) by providing them with reliable sources from which they can develop an informed opinion.
Do what they fear most: spread the knowledge.
Kudos to you.
Ha! I’ve ran into several Co$ guys that think I’m one of them! I know a bunch of the lingo cuz I’ve read so much of their crap.
Sorry I frightened you.
Most of the OSA (what I think were OSA) people were guys who kept trying to drive conversation. I have one flier that someone posing as a “krazy protester” handed me. I’ve read some nutty stuff in my time but this thing is better than the Time-Cube guy’s spew.
haha, Scientology sucks! When will they ever learn?
Well, you’re learning about Scientology. It’s always, inevitably, worse than you think.
Thanks for your courage in standing up to the cult and reporting on what they are doing to you.
Keep up the good work anonymous! You guys are my heroes.
Patty
We are Anonymous.
We are an earthquake.
We are a solar flare.
We are like the wind.
I, for one, salute your bravery, courage and wisdom. Please keep documenting this, as truth and free speech are two of our most potent tools in this fight to defeat their harassment, litigation and lies. I’m truly sorry you have been caught up in their paranoid fantasies, and can’t thank you enough for speaking up in the face of their intimidation tactics.
I wonder….what would happen if the christian right decides to take issue with this “church”? or the politicians that cater to the right? As a patriot and Vet, I’ve seen this country’s morals decline and still decline due to the overwhelming invasion of various civil rights of the citizens because of the influence of the chritian voters. not that i thinkk religion is a bad thing, i know that religion CAN do some very great things for society, but has been the cause of some very horrible things in society. but i wonder, how would the church of scientology combat the “christian” politicians if they decided to revoke their “non-profit organization” IRS status and declare them, rightfully, a cult? hmmm….
That’s a very good question! Religion is a very powerful force and like anything else, the passion it creates can be used for good or ill. One of the planks of Scientology is that it is non-denominational and complimentary to all other religions. They truly are! It seems that, so long as one has a potential of enriching their coffers they will happily take in anyone of any faith.
It also seems like they slowly replace the beliefs of one with a very different cosmology, an altered world-view and group-think. To me this is a subverting of a perfectly natural occurrence and has a tenancy of influencing people to behave in ways that would be ethically repugnant in a normal situation but against “saving humanity from itself,” such behavior becomes acceptable.
I believe Lorenzo that they would call them co-conspirators of the German Secret Service, German SP Government and psychiatrists then attempt to paint them as religious bigots.
Heh! No it would be MUCH simpler. They’d have guys bump into them if they protests, get them arrested for assault. Think how annoying that would be for the police, the legal community and some middle-aged guy who doesn’t even have a speeding ticket to his name.
Will it make people stay away? Yes, some. But each one will talk to a hundred other people, who will in turn talk to a hundred more.
Recently I started a thread for cases such as yours, and am currently encouraging the idea that people contact there local bar association as well as write a letter against the false accusations sent to them by mail.
So far we have an example for anonymous letters but not for normal citizens,and one for florida we would need to find people who have great understanding of law to be able to write examples for other places and countries.
Here is the site and the exact page: http://forums.enturbulation.org/showthread.php?t=6264
I hear that and completely understand. At this time I’m not really into writing a threatening letter to Scientology’s lawyers for a couple of reasons.
1) I’m not going to answer a bunch of absurd allegations. If someone attached to Scientology wants to let their legal dogs bark at me, so be it. People consider the source of such crap and having Scientology dislike me is not harming me in any way, it’s making them look foolish.
2) The Florida Bar does not seem to have any strong ruling on using their members as tools to “shudder people into silence.” It’s not illegal to send threatening sounding verbiage, it’s stupid (IMO) but unless one threaten bodily harm or destruction of property , a scary letter is just a scary letter.
I’ve mentioned that the letter hurt my feelings and it did indeed do that. But the question is, how much did it hurt my feelings? I’m much more disturbed with seeing my name appear on injunctions for no reason and having a bunch of PIs nosing around. That kind of stuff is dopey and MUCH more harmful to them in the long run.
I never put any stock in Scientology until a friend of mine admitted he and his wife were “in” for four years to the tune of $700,000! He has since retrieved about 2/3.
Most people are indifferent or unaware of Scientology and it appears it will gradually fade away within 10 years because it will be unable to stop the free exchange of ideas and exposure.
Yikes, $700,000!
If they got any back they are very-very lucky. What astounds me is the absolute power they have over critical thinking, who in their right mind would spend that much money on non-accredited training courses?
As for fading away, it is possible that they will lose much of their momentum. I don’t think they had much to begin with, the last ten years has been rough on the organization and now, they seem to be deliberately minting foes left and right. Each time they do this 100 other people turn against them.
My friend is quite well off and he mentioned how senior Scientologist would visit him and tell him how important his bank account er… he was to them!
He also said that anyone thinking of joining should always get legal advice so as to be aware of their rights when demanding a refund.
He graduated with me from college so he doesn’t lack critical thinking. Unfortunately he, like many others, are vunerable to con artists who promise “the answer” to everything. Also, he thought this would help his wife who suffers from mental disorders. Something Scientologist also seek to use as a lure to trap people.
I believe David Misgavige who has been accused by many ex-Scientologists of verbal and physical abuse of his subordinates, will attempt to flee with as much money as possible in the not too distant future.
Well, graduating from collage does not guarantee one critical thinking skills, it helps, but the sad fact is our society does not encourage such things, with one or two important exceptions.
One of which seems to be the Anons themselves. (I’m trying to put some thoughts into words so forgive me…) There seems to be some connection to this *first* generation that has replaced TV/radio and all that passive media with interactive video games, both real games and the contrived ones they play on the picture boards. There is a very harsh win/fail logic behind this stuff, and it’s extremely decentralized. Sharp contrast to the completely authoritative top-down world of Scientology. I think people will look back on this conflict as inevitable.
What really impresses me (outside of Scientology being unable to comprehend it) is how broad based the protest movement has become. History will look upon this as a movement which seemed to come out of thin air.
Although I suppose the current anti-China thing is much-much larger.
A couple of questions since you have more insight into this.
1) What can be done to revoke Scientology’s tax-exempt status?
2) What is its’ true membership? Annual revenues? and growth potentional, if any?
As for the philosphical analysis, Scientology is but one of many organizations with an authoritative top-down structure. These organizations strive for monetary gain at virtually all costs. This is their “win/fail” logic. For the most part these organizations don’t hide this fact claiming it is a legitimate expectation in a “free market” economy.
Some like Scientology downplay this fact by hiding behind “religious” or “spiritual” goals which make them more odious, more deceptive and more dangerous to the unsuspecting public.
I agree that other issues like the movement to boycott the Bejing Olympics or the war in Iraq are of far greater importance than this. Yet, all the research I’ve done on Scientology clearly points to a organization that damages the physical and mental well-being of current and former members and a continued and growing protest is essential.
1) Write your state and local representatives. Short, to the point letters are best. Write to the IRS too.
2) No one knows for sure, they say ten million. I would estimate less than 60,000 active. Negative growth for the past ten years or so. Lots of money spent on property, huge amounts into advertising. Legal fees and settlements, natch. I think they have plenty of cash salted away but the coffers are shrinking. So is their donation base.
I don’t really know what the “spiritual goals” of Scientology might be. I daresay no one in Scientology can explain it to an outsider either.
I’ve read many of their books and I can’t figure it out. Christianity, Islam, the Hindu beliefs–I could give you a capsule description of all of them but not Scientology.
Looks like they used TR FB-45 on this one. Take a colt 45, pointed it at their own foot, and continued firing until they exhaust all .45 ammo in the world.
As for spiritual goals of scienos, it’s give all money to the Co$ as far as I can see.
as far as the *eye* can see.
I’m an average ex-public scino.My only comment is that you should try scientology on your own at home with a friend or your wife. Start with the excercises in the 2nd part of the Self analisys book,or start with tr’s.Scientology isn’t something you read, it’s something you do. On your OWN. Email me if you need a book or need help.Have FUN !!!! r.
Hey thanks Richard;
I understand what your are saying but I don’t understand why I should try Scientology. That’s a bit like saying “the Ford Motor Company has sent PIs to stalk me, placed my name on an injunction that says I encourage beating people with baseball bats etc. But I should go out and buy Ford products… to understand them more?”
Eh….why!?
Really I have no beef with Scientology training per say, I don’t (frankly) feel it’s very effective, but your results may vary. I really REALLY can’t buy into all the claims they make and I object to the antisocial aspects that people in Scientology display when their beliefs are challenged.
I don’t want to become like that. Is it wrong to be OK with oneself?
Anyway Richard, thanks for the comment! I’d be very interested in hearing what your take on current events might be.
No. I’m saying try it for free and I’m saying the scientology that you learn at home on your own by your own research is not the same scientology you get from the corporate church. Yeah, it is wrong to be ok with oneself. People and things grow or decline and die. They don’t just stay the same and stay ok. Even gold degrades a little eventually. I’m not ok with myself. In many ways I’m fantastic,but I still see room for improvement. rich.
Wha? I’m not into Scientology training, I’m much more interested in the history and customs of the organization. I’ve done meditation and hypnoses on both sides, I know the value of them, and the liabilities. I know it’s not as simple as that but, I really don’t like the suspension of critical thought that’s required for Scientology training.
But we would have to agree to disagree on one point, as a dynamic, changing entity I think it IS OK to be OK with oneself. That is in no way saying that one is perfect or that there is no room for improvement.
We improve every day, we learn, we make, we can be content with that. In my experience there is no magic bullet, no key to salvation. There are only the small things we can do to improve conditions in our environment and our own sense of self-worth. Without those two actions, and without learning and making we are nothing.
However, it’s very important to be sure and true with oneself, a person who cannot self-criticize has no business criticizing others. Likewise an organization which brooks no dissent from it’s members, which allows no counter-opinion from without or within should never dictate how others should behave, especially outside the organization.
Any organization, like any organism must not be static, it has to change over time and as changes in society accelerate, modern organizations like Scientology have to learn and change with the times.
Agree to disagree? Why, I’ll pull your eyeballs our of your skull , sandpaper ‘em and stick ‘em back in. r.
Pah! Someone already tried that. You know what happened to them?
Their sandpaper got all gooey?
Yeah, you are doing good studying the history. If I was you that is where I would start. Come to think of it, I’m still studying the history. r.
….those who forget history, deserve what they get.
You may have made a terrible mistake by signing for that package.
The CoS goons now have a nice copy of your signature, which is presumably the entire purpose of sending it to you in the first place.
You may want to check that they aren’t pretexting your phone records etc. as we speak.
Naa, I don’t think so. I sign for stuff all the time, my signature is out there if people want to dig for it.
They can do an investigation on me, so what? My information is out there, your information out there, *their* information is out there. We don’t live in the 1980s any more. We should not have to worry about who’s got us namefagged. I Heck I’m a homeowner in this community, I’m a vet, I have medical records, dentist records, I write checks every day. ID me, have at it! Waste your time!
Sending a “messenger” claiming to be a server of process and delivering a C&D request is a pretty dopey way to get a signature. (It’s a pretty dopey way to send a C&D.) Remember that they represented a *real* attorney, don’t you think they should be more worried about their own reputation if they get implicated in some kind of malfeasance?
Thanks for listening. It’s nice to be back with laid back wog people who just want to take care of their responsibilities and mind their own businness instead of always trying to clear the planet all the time. It’s a terrible fanatical overzealous cult. And I don’t think the leaders or hidden controlers care about the planet or the parishionerslaves.
So what do you think will happen Allen? You think this will all die out and your life will go back like it was and you’ll forget about it? Any predictions? r.
Oh I’m sure of that. I think many people in the organization would like to believe that they belong to this huge deal that’s working diligently to save humanity from itself and all that jazz. The higher-ups (I think)don’t really believe all that stuff but when you are in an organization that sanctions people for leaving, that’s a pretty difficult horse to dismount. Then what are you going to do? There are very few companies looking to hire people with no collage and Scientology training.
As for the other thing, that’s up to them. I’m not doing anything wrong, I haven’t *done* anything wrong and I don’t intend to do anything wrong. What will happen tomorrow?
Who can say.
Hey! Thank you for stopping by!
You don’t get it at all man. It’s not many who believe in the huge deal. It’s almost ALL. r.
…In that case, I truly feel for them. I honestly think they have been duped.
It’s not easy to give up our superstitions, our beliefs and face a world that can be gritty and unpredictable. But it is the real world. Scientology is a made up world that in practice, does not interface well with the real world.
I live in Norway, found this blog through Xenu and other pages. And id like to say you have my supports sir. I am also formely military, and i know that when you put your life on the line for your country you do know what the stakes and the gains from that might be. I just found out that the CoS has come to Norway aswell. So im looking forward to may 10, ill be outside the CoS with everyone else. I am not Anon but i would be more than happy to join them if they would like my help.
They have a policy of using Sun Tzu “the art of war” in theyr training. I thought we were at peace for the most part.
Divide and conquer
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The wog thinks he is at peace but there is always an unseen conflict between good and evil. Only the scinos have the secret knowledge about evil. So they feel that it is their responsibility to defend mankind from the psychiatric mad scientist implanters on mars and from the Marcabian aliens. It starts with basic communication drills that really DO work and as your confront and awareness increase you gradually learn for yourself about past lives and aliens/spirits. They are real , but in a different dimension.Other religions are similar,but not as hardcore,mean and dedicated. The marcabians infiltrated and are running the top level of the church and have corrupted the technology so that they can control man and he can’t quite reach their dimension. The real war is to see if the marcabians win or if the older uncorrupt technology is popularized in homes around the world(the freezone). I know….I sound nuts. r.
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The attempt to correlate to Salt Lake and Mormons is flawed — You can see protesters there regularly, and nobody tails, harasses, threatens, or sends them nasty letters. Every now and then some Mormon gets in a verbal tiff – but that’s just one guy being stupid.
Oh, and as a psychologist… I have to say, let the light of day show Co$ for what it is.
LOl, the whole business is flawed. Scientology IMO uses debate tactics that were designed by fourth graders to resolve playground disputes. Misdirect, confuse and insult if you don’t like the message. If they really don’t get it you punch them in the gut.
Bringing up the Mormons is a stupid tactic that risks getting me pissed off (If I were a Mormon) and alienating Mormons everywhere.
Since then I’ve spoken with Scientology members who are … reasonable debaters although they don’t actually discuss anything. They just ell you the world according to their POV and become very surprised when you question it.
I think the searchlights have been switched on, the cockroaches are still running around trying to figure out what to do.
The smart ones are leaving.
Still Got that letter Mr. Allen? There’s an ongoing campaign of reporting these to the FBI as a apart of an ongoing investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w4UKJB2jJU
Just call your local branch, say you got a letter falsely accusing you of being a terrorist & whatnot. A desk sargent will take a quick report over the phone and tell you where to fax it.
You have my sympathy.
It was not meant for you to get our backlash.
But we are vigilant, this would not stop us anyway. I know that most of the high ranking anon would not be surprised to be “destroyed” by Scientology for their resistance.
But, we are vigilant.
We are legion.
We are anonymous.
Sympathy!? High ranking anon? How can you have rank in an organisation of anonymous people?
Allen,
We are all grateful I am sure for any sacrifice you may have made protecting our future.
Your strength and endurance against this very organized corrupt group of monkeys is admirable, and I hope that you may be able to continue unhampered by any faux soldiers of their cause.
Perserverence and a harsh sneer in the face of threats surely unnerves any pursuer. You have definitely been sticking to the right path friend..
May life reward you with many victories.
-M, of California
Hey there! ~ Thanks for the kind words.
I was out helping protect your future and the future of even Scientology back when I served. Those folks marching around the Ft Harrison in their cute-fake navy uniforms? I feel sorry for them, they are just pretending to be on the “adventure.” The real one is just through the nearest exit door of the org. There are 6 billion people waiting to be their friends, if only they had the courage to walk through it!
Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post… nice! I love your blog.
Cheers! Sandra. R.
This essay is quite overdue to be written and published. ,
We are Anonymous, we are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Scientology will be brought down just the same as we’ve brought down other injustices in our time. Anonymous cannot be stopped. we are everyone and we are no one.
It’s a crying shame your face got snapshotted. Some of us take a bus from one city, to another, to another going around in circles for a few hours before arriving to the church or back. Some of us sneak into a public restroom with stalls watch our backs and change. We have to be very careful, we have to remain Anonymous, otherwise we’ll have your experiences. We are Anonymous for our own protection.
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